Way to sell out you corporate gaylord

rofl -- Can i advertise this COOL GAME SITE, BLUGAH.COM!

I do . And I'm referring more towards Blugah and its subsequent advertising campaign.

BLUGAH FOR THE WIN!

Yes.

Advertising is getting out of control. I can't even take a piss or shit at school anymore without an ad literally in my face. It's a plague. The average person views over 3,000 advertisements a day. It's taking over public space. It's the new authoritarianism. "Everybody is now a customer or client, and every relationship is ultimately judged in bottom-line, cost-effective terms".

If yall aint into no book learnin' then skip this next part...

But it's a pretty accurate portrayal of the new authoritarianism and the current political-economic situation in most western countries. It's a little left heavy but accurate none the less. The author is well respected. The second paragraph on market fundamentalism is particularly interesting. Book learnin'

I'm referring to the advertising button in your signature, the thread in speak your mind, and on msn messenger. Second, no I wouldn't put advertising on my site regardless of how much money I could make. That would be rathey hypocritical of me wouldn't it? You can't put a price on integrity and money isn't the "be all end all" in my view, simply a necessary evil. There's way too many internet ads to begin with and I wouldn't want to 'ad' to the problem (godamn I'm hilarious). There are better ways to make money in this world than by letting a company control content on your site. If I had a site I would gladly throw down the few bucks in web hosting it takes each month to keep it nice and clean.

As for ebaums, I have no respect for that site. There is nothing original there. It's not saying anything. It's not creating anything. It's just a collage of other peoples work.

Aim Higher Kid

The difference is I'm not benefitting from posting adbusters, or stuff about sopranos, or that volkswagon commercial. I'm not pushing it on people to make money it's either funny or innovative or generally entertaining. I by no means profit from it nor would I care to profit if someone offered.

Web hosting doesn't cost 1000's of bucks a month for a site like this.

They are controlling something that people will be viewing on your site. Being banners or popups. I call that content. Doesn't necessarily have to be something people are posting in the forum or a game on blugah. It's something people will see when visiting the site.

I didn't ignore you. I said if I had a site I would pay the money it takes for web hosting each month. You said yourself a while back you pay $3-4 a month. Yes my pockets are $3-4/mnth deep. But alas I do not have a site, chickswithdicks.com was already taken. And I don't wanna run bulkmuscle.

P.S. I'm gonna fight you at recess.

Pretty good debate, I'm gonna save the Giroux article for future references though.

I guess my main point is that a site doesn't have to rely on advertising to stay on its feet. One of my favorite examples is Maddox and 'his best page in the universe'. He's prided himself on never having ads on his site. He supplies original content that people enjoy and that's what leads to greater success in the long run. Look at how small he started out and now he gets millions of hits each day, has appeared on radio and tv shows all across the states and has an upcoming book deal. If a site is worth while then it can stand on its own.

Blugah, for me just seems to go against these ideals.

That being said. I <3 Bulkmuscle and I'll continue to come here with or without ads. No better place to go for expert bodybuilding advice in my opinion. Now THAT I would advertise.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Doesn't matter if you're actually benefitting. It's an attempt to benefit. Just because it's not working doesn't justify the means.



Don't you think if an ad company is offering you millions you might be sitting on something important? Something with potential? When they start offering you large sums of money that's a clue you've got something. And I would then wonder what made the site so successful in the first place. Being ad free helps.

As for web hosting and paying "1000's per month" for it. It's only that expensive if you have a massive site. Bigger isn't always better. I question the whole "gaming site" genre as the large majority of the games are shitty and usually none of them are created by the sites author.

And as far as adblock goes unless everybody on the internet installs it I'm not satisfied.

"Also, Blugah itself was made for the sole purpose of making me money" If you're gonna start arguing my points for me this is going to stop being fun.

How much money do you make off those ads?

I didn't avoid shit. YES I would refuse millions, I've said it several times now and it was implied on the basis that if a ad company is willing to pay that much then my site is clearly in great demand and is able to stand on its own two feet through other means than advertising. There is so much you can do with that popularity other than ads. And NO I wouldn't pay 1000's per month in hosting because you don't necessarily need such a huge site, content wise, to be successfull. If there's anything else you think I'm avoiding I'm more than willing to discuss the matters.

My argument is not flawed. Just because sites that have ads are successful doesn't make it right. The point is you can be successful on a site without ads just as easily. Aside from money what is the point in adding a third party interest in your site?

I haven't told you how advertising is bad?!?!? Did you not read the section in my link about market fundamentalism? We're moving further towards an authoritarian state because more and more people are concerned with the bottom line rather than principles. We are losing public space to corporations, universities are a prime example. Why contribute to this? Ad blocker might stop me from viewing and ad but it doesn't eliminate the violation of principle.

Defn. Sell out: "Broadly speaking, it refers to the compromising of one's integrity in exchange for money or other personal gain."
"Also, Blugah in itself was made for the sole purpose of making me money."
"I'll be making money sitting on my ass" These sentences are brimming with integrity. If you don't care then why has this sparked such a heated debate?

MILLLLIONS haha wow that be sweet ... not enough

Gonna reply but not tonight. I'm beat from school there's no fight in me.

I never said anything about selling things. If you're selling a useful product and not forcing it down people's throats it's a good way to keep a site going. And a good product will advertise itself. Low bandwidth sites such as this don't really necessitate that though because they're cheap to run. High bandwidth sites obviously have a good amount of traffic already and wouldn't need advertising. So that's the way I would do it if I had an expensive site going. Obviously if you have a high bill paying it yourself isn't a sensible way of doing things. Is that direct enough for ya?

The article is more than just corporations influencing politics. It's politics itself turning into a corporation. It's not about who's controlling who because they are turning into the same thing. And there is definitely a corporate association with Bulkmuscle. Also any forum is definitely public space.

Forum:
A public meeting place for open discussion.
A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program.
A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.

Politics is indeed to blame but so is society, for not only allowing it to happen but actually helping. Who is really at fault? The corporate government or the public who helps destroy their own democracy? Both really.

Integrity isn't based on what you see it as being. I'm sure there are rapists and murderers out there dellusional enough to think they have integrity. But the fact is it's about moral soundness, ethics, virtue and honesty. You don't get to make your own definition.

I didn't expect that.

this fight is getting BORING

ya I guess we've reached a stalemate